“The Trump effect” in Canada: Testing how we react to racism and intolerance (CBC Marketplace)


♪ ♪>>Asha: This isMarketplace.Donald Trump is now the President of the United States. So we’re testing the Trump effect. Can I ask why you believe in those slogans? Do you not think that’s racist rhetoric? Selling hate.>>White power, are you (bleep) kidding me?>>Asha: Who buys in?>>If you want to come here and support Canada, support Canada. Live our way.>>Close the border completely, don’t let anyone in.>>Asha: Who steps in?>>This is absolutely outrageous.>>Asha: And who’s fighting back?>>That kind of language is no longer tolerated.>>Asha: Standing up to racism. A special edition ofMarketplace.>>How are you?>>Asha: Good. How are you? Meet Mike. He’s an actor about to play the most uncomfortable role of his career. Can you give me an example of what you’re saying today?>>Sure. Let me get into character. I’ll say, make Canada great again. Worldwide white power. Things like that. Strong words. Words that I never expect to come out of my mouth, but it is a role.>>Let’s do this.>>Let’s do it. ♪ [hip hop]>>Asha: We’re testing how people will react to this…>>$10 shirt, white pride worldwide. It’s white power! It’s time to make Canada great again! Buy your t-shirts today!>>Asha: We want to know if the Trump effect has come to Canada.>>We want to have the wall. A great border wall!>>They’re bringing drugs. They’re rapists. A total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.>>We don’t want them in our country! [cheering] And we will make America great again! ♪ [ominous]>>Asha: Show me some research?>>Absolutely, let’s go.>>Asha: Media analyst James Rubec keeps track of the Trump effect.>>When we compare November of 2015 to November of 2016, we’ve seen an increase of 600 per cent in the amount of intolerant language that Canadians are using online, on places likeTwitter,in comment sections or on web forums or blogs.>>600 per cent in the last 12 months?>>Yes.>>Asha: What Rubec calls intolerant language is just a nicer way of saying hate speech. And when you look at this graph, it’s hard to deny it’s been growing with Trump’s popularity.>>There are times that we dip in Canada and there were times that we drastically increase. Certainly again November it did drastically increase. And then when Trump actually won the nomination, that gave it another huge spike. And then the largest is when he won the election.>>Asha: And the most common words thrown around?>>#siegheil, #whitegenocide, #whitepower.>>Make America great again.>>Make America white again. That’s something they are actually saying.>>Asha: We asked James to analyze his research and build a word cloud. Here’s how it works. The bigger the word, the more often the terms have shown up. Ban Muslims is at the top of the pack, and Donald Trump’s name is not far behind.>>The third most common term that they’re using in association with those words is @reelDonaldTrump, hisTwitterhandle. As more people discuss Donald Trump, more people discuss racist language in Canada. Within islamophobia and white nationalism, there is absolutely a correlation with how many Canadians are tweeting about this and how many Americans are. We’re in lock step.>>Asha: So his research confirms the Trump effect is here. But how will it play out on the street? ♪ ♪ That’s what we’re going to test. Taking some of the words that are spreading on the internet and putting them into print on t-shirts. Slogans directly linked to white supremacist groups. Three different shirts, three different locations. We begin in Alliston, Ontario, in the heart of MP Kellie Lietch’s riding. She’s been in the news the last few months.>>Not all President-elect Donald Trump supporters are here in the United States. His anti-establishment brand has found some common ground with folks north of our border.>>We should be screening immigrants to Canada for Canadian values. And two-thirds of Canadians, average Canadians, agree with me. The elites, the insiders, the left wing media, they’re doing everything they can to stop me.>>It’s remarkable –>>I’m not going to back down.>>– how similar the concerns there are to concerns here.>>Asha: Will the people in Lietch’s riding buy what Mike is selling?>>White pride worldwide t-shirts, make Canada great t-shirts, $10. Support Donald Trump’s inauguration. We are selling t-shirts. ♪ ♪ Hi. We got some shirts –>>How much are they?>>They’re ten bucks, bro. We have a few of them, we got make Canada great again, we have white proud worldwide. Yeah, come over.>>Asha: We’re nearby watching from our van.>>Hey, how are you doing, man? We have the make Canada great again t-shirts for ten bucks and the white pride worldwide t-shirts are the same and the white power ones. We got to stick with our traditional values, we’re losing that.>>Asha: Mike’s dialogue is based on real conversations documented by Canada’s leading hate crimes specialist.>>So that’s why we’re here, we’re here to support unite — what we want to do, have everyone come over here, like take over our culture, our rights?>>As soon as a transaction is made, we’re jumping out.>>What’s that?>>Everything we worked for.>>Yeah, exactly, I know. We came here — we came here and built this country and they just want to come over here, right.>>Yeah.>>I mean, come on.>>The make Canada one, I think I’m going to check here for large, see what I got. There you are. Thanks a lot. Take care.>>What do you think, now? How’s it going? I’m Asha Tomlinson, I’m withCBCMarketplace.We just want to know why you bought those t-shirts and if you agree with those slogans. Do you agree with white pride worldwide? And why? You got your money to buy the shirts, you wanted the shirts, why?>>Asha: But can I ask why you believe in those slogans, do you not think that’s racist rhetoric? Do you think Canada is not great? And why not? Is that how you want to leave it? Nothing. Barbara Perry is the hate crimes specialist who helped write Mike’s script. We asked her to review our video.>>Neither of them would or could really articulate what it was that they were agreeing to by buying the t-shirt and, you know, when challenged, when confronted, don’t really know how to frame their anxieties.>>Asha: her research shows white supremacy ideology is on the rise. And many Canadians are in denial.>>We found that the risk of right-wing extremism including the violence had been sadly underestimated and not recognized.>>Let’s make Canada great again, people. There’s too many immigrants coming into this country. We need to preserve the white culture. We’re selling these shirts for $10. Yes, would you like to buy one? They’re only $10.>>You’re selling white power shirts on a main street of Alliston?>>Yes, it’s freedom –>>Do you not work, is this what you do for a living? Put down other races?>>It’s not putting anyone down, it’s just preserving white culture, traditional values that Canada has.>>You shouldn’t be talking to me because I’m actually not a traditional Canadian.>>Well, what kind of Canadian are you?>>Well, I’m a Canadian citizen now but I was born in Italy.>>Oh, I see, okay, so you’re still on the white side, though.>>This is absolutely outrageous.>>You’re very upset right now.>>Yes. I’m so upset because I am happy with the newcomers and I’m happy having diversity here and we have no — we don’t need this in Canada.>>Hi, would you like to buy a make Canada great again t-shirt, they’re only $10?>>I’ll give you one for five. We have these ones here, those people, those immigrants are coming here, are taking over everything. They’re stepping up in the States, it’s time to step up here. ♪ ♪>>Let’s go. Excuse me. Hi. My name is Asha Tomlinson, I’m withCBC Marketplace.This is a social experiment, Mike is an actor. We want to know why you decided to buy that t-shirt.>>Thank you for talking with us. In just under an hour, Mike sold four shirts. What happens in Canada’s most diverse city? Why did you buy the shirt? You might be surprised. On yourMarketplace.>>Asha: This is yourMarketplace.>>We will make America great again! ♪ ♪>>Asha: It’s been a year of divisive politics. In Canada, we’re seeing an increase in hate speech and hate crimes. ♪ ♪ Racist incidents caught on camera.>>Hey, hey, excuse me. You don’t have the right to tell people to go back to their country.>>I have the right to tell you.>>Announcer: Please call control. ♪ ♪>>Asha: We’re on a stake-out to see what it takes for you to stand up against this.>>White pride worldwide t-shirts, make Canada great t-shirts, $10.>>Asha: Our actor Mike is selling white supremacist t-shirts in Toronto.>>Let’s support the white pride that this country used to be!>>Asha: One of the world’s most multicultural cities.>>White pride! The white revolution, it’s the only solution. Let’s make Canada great again. Would you like one?>>Hi, my name is Asha Tomlinson, I’m withCBCMarketplace.We’re taking the pulse of Canadians to see if they hold racist attitudes. Mike is an actor.>>I live in a neighbourhood where everybody is from a different country. My kids go to a school where 22 kids in the class, 17 languages are spoken. That’s the country I live in, not that. ♪ ♪>>Get your t-shirts here, make Canada great again.>>Asha: Each time we set up, someone intervenes.>>How are you able to justify saying get rid of immigrants when our own people are immigrants here?>>Asha: Clearly people here don’t like Mike’s message.>>Hi. We got several calls about what’s going on here. There was some possibly hate propaganda.>>It’s upsetting to see.>>It would be, yes. This is Canada, after all, right, we’re multicultural and there’s no place for that, right?>>Asha: But watch what happens when we set up again.>>I have this one, I have the white power one. And the white pride worldwide. Which one would you like? Okay. Make Canada great again, there you go. Thanks a lot.>>We gotta go. Why did you buy the shirt? Show me what the shirt says.>>You believe that Canada isn’t great right now?>>Asha: Is this in relation to what you’re seeing in the U.S., the Trump rhetoric happening there?>>Well, he has said ban immigrants from coming in, ban Muslims, build a wall in Mexico.>>Why?>>When you say anti-immigration, though, what does that mean exactly to you?>>Asha: You have nothing against non-white people?>>Asha: Experts call that kind of comment the “friend” defence. A way to rationalize personal prejudice. We drive north from Canada’s most diverse city to one of the least. What will we find in Barrie, Ontario?>>Let’s celebrate Trump’s inauguration, let’s make Canada great again! ♪ ♪ White pride. Support Trump’s inauguration. Yeah, they’re $10.>>12 minutes in to starting this sale on the sidewalk, two sales were made.>>We have the white power one.>>Asha: Excuse me, sir. My name is Asha Tomlinson. I’m withCBC Marketplace.This is a social experiment. Mike is an actor. I just want to know what made you so upset right there?>>People who come around my city and sell this kind of stuff. My grandparents went through the Nazi death camps. They both died under the Hitler regime. And when something like this comes up, it drives me nuts. It drives me nuts.>>Asha: A sobering reminder of why words matter.>>He’s an actor. ♪ ♪>>Whoa, that one’s really powerful. So he’s seen, he knows from his family history what the consequences can be of sort of allowing this to continue, sort of allowing that slippery slope.>>Asha: Hate crimes specialist Barbara Perry says whether it’s a comment on the street or intolerant tweet, challenging hate is not easy.>>We don’t like to intervene, we don’t like to challenge people and, you know, engage in conflict. It’s complacency and it’s also fear of engagement, fear of conflict.>>What about online?>>Fine line between free speech and hate speech. Online andFacebook,all these online social media venues have really become flash points and the same sorts of exchanges can and need to be taking place there as they do face-to-face.>>Asha: What do we do when we’re confronted with hate?>>I could be negative or I could be inquisitive.>>Asha: Some people make it awkward.>>You see the power in awkward? It’s weird but it does stuff, yeah, I know, I love it.>>Asha: This isMarketplace.>>Asha: This is yourMarketplace.[chanting] A show of growing divide in Canada. The Trump effect is emboldening many. And enraging others. [chanting] On our streets and online.>>While more people feel comfortable tweeting offensive things, we’re also seeing more people feel comfortable stepping up and saying that they don’t accept this.>>Asha: Media analyst James Rubec measures online trends.>>We saw a rise in anti-racist commentary. Terms like “love Trump’s hate” or “love wins” or even the newer “make it awkward”. ♪ [hip hop]>>Asha: #makeitawkward, a movement started by this guy, Jesse Lipscombe. Fourth generation Albertan, father of three, actor.>>It’s 9:00 A.M. Do you know where your daughter is?>>Asha: And these days, activist.>>Got to make it awkward at Dave and Mary Thompson. Here we go. The message is really that you and everyone can be mini-activists in a sense and it’s up to us.>>Asha: Jesse’s in Toronto to give advice on how to confront discrimination. And he starts with a very personal story from his hometown, Edmonton.>>I was filming this commercial about how wonderful our city is.>>There’s countless things you can do downtown before the big event and afterwards.>>In between takes I was walking back and this car pulls up. Car pulls up and screams out of the window…>>Walk over to the car, open the door, down on a knee, I got to the level that I talk to my children at because it felt like that needed to happen in this scenario and I asked the gentleman why did you say that?>>So now I’m sitting there afterwards kinda dumbfounded, a little bit hurt for sure. It’s not every day you’re working and someone pulls up downtown and screams that out of the window.>>I could be negative or I could be inquisitive and I choose inquisitive. With a little sprinkle of awkwardness, yeah, kind of like this.>>Asha: Jesse posted the video. It went viral and launched him on a quest to break the silence.>>Normally we’re like, as it’s happening, it’s just head down, it’s not my business. But it’s our business. It is our business.>>People may be thinking what if I go help this person and I end up putting myself in danger?>>The first thing that’s important, it is safety, number one, always safety first.>>Asha: Jesse knows it’s tough to stand up. So he’s sharing some awkward comebacks.>>Hey, uncle, earlier you said this joke, everyone kind of laughed nervously but I have never thought that sexism was funny or making fun of women was funny or racism was funny, but you keep making these jokes. Maybe you can explain to the table why that was awesome.>>Asha: His campaign is getting political endorsements and gaining traction beyond the hashtag. So an instance of hate…>>Yesterday there was some racist posters posted on campus and we removed them immediately.>>Asha: ..turns in to a show of solidarity.>>And we’re here to make it awkward.>>Asha: Jesse wants to keep that momentum going.>>Seems like there’s all this racist behaviour that’s coming up over and over and over like we’re pulling the carpet back and seeing all the ugliness that actually occurs but it’s almost important to know where we are, where we actually are so that we can collectively move forward instead of pretending everything is okay.>>I was inBest Buyand this old lady was in line with me. She gave me a look. As soon as she gave me that look, I knew what’s going through her mind is like what are you doing here, this is not where black people stay.>>I believe you, whole heartedly believe you.>>I probably would speak up, just me, I would say, I saw you staring at me, it looks like maybe you have an issue with me. I was wondering if you want the opportunity to talk about it right now. It is up to us, no one else is going to do it.>>Start a branch in your school, do some stuff. What’s your name?>>Makaila.>>Jesse. Thank you. Let’s do some things. That went all right. It went great, actually. It’s always good when the kids can open up and tell stories how they made it awkward, how they’re going to make it awkward in the future. I can’t complain. Kids of the future. Peace.>>Asha: The future under a Trump presidency has yet to be written. But one thing is certain, while there’s hate, there’s also hope. And coming up in half an hour, our colleagues atthe fifthestatehave this story…>>There are lots of mysterious coincidences involving Donald Trump and things Russian.>>I never met Putin, I don’t know who Putin is. I was in Moscow recently and I spoke indirectly and directly with President Putin.>>The Russians have developed compromising intelligence on Donald Trump.>>Welcome back toMiss Universe2013 coming at you from Moscow.>>It happened when he was in Moscow.>>I read the information, it’s all fake news.>>”The Russian Connection”, coming up onthe fifth estate.♪ ♪

33 Replies to ““The Trump effect” in Canada: Testing how we react to racism and intolerance (CBC Marketplace)”

  1. YouTube comment sections are always sad, miserable places.
    To be so arrogant while having accomplished so little in this life? To be so hateful and fearful, while being so obviously lonely?
    Try as I might I just can't understand it.

    I'm going to have to take a look at my own masochistic tendency of coming here and subjecting myself to this deluge of cowardice, ignorance and narcissism.

  2. media….stop blaming trump for everything!!!!!! iam an older guy and there has always been racism in canada….long long before trump was on the scene. canada is using trump for a scapegoat cuz they refuse to believe that there has always been racisim here

  3. This is terrible wow I guess that's what we come to expect from the CBC. Time to get rid of this corrupt Broadcasting Corporation

  4. Lol its amazing seeing all the trump fanatics and snowflakes here years later. Every single one of their videos has mostly praise but the moment you get these snowflakes riled up against their dear leader fuhrer they get triggered and turn to children.

  5. your not allowed to be proud of being white but your allowed to do that with another race. Your suppose to apologize of being white and beg other races for forgiveness. When they do it's called civil rights when we do it's called racism.

  6. Blacks have blacks specifically speaking on the behalf and interest of blacks. That’s black supremacist and this video is witchcraft and extreme racism against whites

  7. A couple of times, I have had white people tell me 'Go back to where you came from'. I yelled back at them that first they have to go back to f*****g Europe where they came from. Next time I will punch them in the face as an added bonus.

  8. Now print out and try to sell 'Black Pride 't-shirts, if anyone buys one berate them for being racists and conclude pontificating about the Trudeau Effect.

  9. I am a Trump supporter who lives in Canada and I find this disgusting. CBC should be shut down. Why do taxpayers have to fund this.

  10. The only good thing to watch on CBC is Hockey on Saturday night, other than that it is trash that has to be propped up by taxpayers

  11. So the CBC is now a supporter of the corrupt US Democrats. It is a form of bigotry to make the link that Trump support equals racism. Despicable media.

  12. LOL in all honesty Trudeau's second term win will only increase the amount of hate in the coming years… just wait and see

  13. There are Blacks for Trump, Muslims for Trump, Asians for Trump, Sikhs for a Trump, Latinos for a Trump, that’s hardly someone who is a Supremacist. Look at 1400 years of Hirjah Clock ….. it’s proven.

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